Chapter 560： Arguing
"Absurd, simply absurd. Why don't Master Li divide his salary among your subordinates, so that their enthusiasm for doing things can be improved a lot."
Dai Li, the minister of the Ministry of Engineering, took the lead to stand up and mock and refute.
What a joke, his father still has more than 3,000 acres of land in Huzhou. This is so much that Li Yao gave him a sentence. He didn't directly use it, but he still looked at Wu Changqing's face.
If I was someone else, I was reprimanded by an official who was six or seven levels higher than myself. I was afraid that I had already started to panic.
But who is Li Yao, who can spray six books all over during the exam, how could he be afraid of a Dai Li.
Li Yao said: "You are still the minister of the Ministry of Industry, don't you see it. Allocating land to poor peasants and increasing their enthusiasm for production increases the total amount of social wealth. And if I distribute my salary to subordinates, it is wealth. The total amount of transfers between people has not increased.
If I give my salary to my subordinates, the society will be able to create an extra wealth out of thin air, and I would be happy to do so. "
Standing and talking doesn't hurt, Li Yao dares to say anything. Anyway, it's impossible for everyone to really ask him to distribute his salary to others.
Dai Li was suddenly depressed when he heard the words.
He was too excited just now, so he didn't think about the problem too carefully, and made a slightly inappropriate analogy, and he was immediately used by Li Yao.
"Master Li, you can't say that. It's not a robbery to separate people's private property for no reason. This is definitely not possible. No one wants to be deprived of their wealth."
Another official stood up and rejected Li Yao's proposal from a realistic perspective.
"Private property? Is it the king's land, the land of the land, or the king's ministers in the whole world. All of them are the people and children of your majesty. Is there any problem with the old father helping the poor son with a little something from his rich son?"
What's more, did those big landlords dig out the land with a **** and a hoe? They are all land mergers carried out by various despicable means. "
Li Yao was fully fired, and the other opponents who sprayed just wanted to vomit blood.
Could it be Wang Tu's words in the whole world, even the emperor himself wouldn't take it seriously.
But this Li Yao just pretended not to understand like a second stupid son, and insisted on telling the story.
Unfortunately, other officials are not easy to refute.
Although the emperor would not think that the private property of the world is his own, but the courtiers could not say that.
If anyone dared to say that some things in the world belong to private individuals, and the emperor has no right to deprive them, then he would be charged with disrespect.
In short, Li Yao took a clever, and first stood in a position similar to the "highest point of morality" in the argument.
That is, you know that what I said is sophistry, but you can't refute it. If you refute it, it is immoral and despise the king.
How much people hate polite hypocrites, how much opposition ministers hate Li Yao at this time.
This is not a rational discussion or argument, but a show of shamelessness.
Qian Qianyi, Gu Yanwu, Ruan Dacheng and others have never spoken.
It was only at this moment that they realized that Wu Changqing wanted to carry out land reform and to divide the land of the landlord.
Among the three, Ruan Dacheng was not particularly surprised, because he knew Wu Changqing better and knew that Wu Changqing was unhappy with the landlord class, and he was bold enough to do things that others would not dare to do.
The emperor forcibly divided the landlord's land to the common people, which really seemed to be counterproductive.
That's why Wu Changqing dared to do this. Ruan Dacheng believed that such a thing would never happen if he changed to someone else.
Gu Yanwu and Qian Qianyi didn't understand Wu Changqing's thoughts at this moment. They couldn't figure out why Wu Changqing did this.
If Wu Changqing wanted to grab those lands into his own hands and turn them into imperial estates, everyone could also understand that the emperor was greedy for money.
But now Wu Changqing wants to distribute the land to civilians.
They really want to remind Wu Changqing that your rule is based on big landlords and gentry, not ordinary people.
Mencius said, "He who wins the hearts of the people gains the world", the "people" in it refers to the educated landlord and gentry class, but not to those untouchables who don't know anything.
In the past, the emperor and the big landlord class exploited the people together, but now Wu Changqing wants to abandon the big landlord class and cooperate with the exploited, which is incredible.
Those exploited are people who are illiterate and don't know how to govern the country. Don't cooperate with them to ruin the country.
In short, Wu Changqing's operation is very mysterious.
Hong Chengchou closed his eyes, looking as if nothing matters to him.
This matter, he can leave it alone.
After all, because he first surrendered to Man Qing and later to Dahua, his family loyal to Daming had not forgiven him, and there was no interest class behind him.
He is now the lone minister in the surrender faction, and he only needs to take care of his little interests.
Although there is no need to mix it up, he was shocked and admired by Wu Changqing's plan.
There has never been an emperor who wants to overthrow the ruling class and create his own rebellion. Wu Changqing is the first one, awesome.
If Wu Changqing insisted on carrying out such reforms and was overthrown by the landlord class, this piece of history would be an excellent negative teaching material to be recorded in the annals of history.
It can make later emperors and princes smile when they study boring history books.
The debate continues.
"This can't work, people are selfish. These lands have become their property. If they rush to grab it, it will inevitably lead to chaos in the world, and the gains outweigh the losses."
Liu Dahua couldn't help but say that he also has a lot of fields in his family, which are accumulated by four or five generations of his family, so he can't be separated.
"Although it is important to raise the enthusiasm of the people, it is not advisable to take it by force."
Wu Changqing spoke, ostensibly supporting Liu Dahua.
However, smart people will not ignore the first half of Wu Changqing.
It is very important to raise the enthusiasm of the people. This is not a representative. The emperor is very tempted by the proposal of dividing the land.
Those who understand the emperor's mind and will not lose their interests due to the land reform can play at this time.
Just like Yuan Zishou, the minister of the Ministry of Commerce, he directly and clearly expressed his support for Li Yao.
Anyway, his family has completely switched to business, and the family has no plot of land. Babu won the land of those big landlords and weakened the strength of those big landlords.
After all, many of those big landlords are part-time businessmen and are competitors of the Yuan family.
The imperial court directly plundered the wealth of those competitors, it is really a happy thing to see.
The **** decides the head. Most of the disputes in this world are not about right or wrong, but about interests.
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Dai Li, the minister of the Ministry of Engineering, took the lead to stand up and mock and refute.
What a joke, his father still has more than 3,000 acres of land in Huzhou. This is so much that Li Yao gave him a sentence. He didn't directly use it, but he still looked at Wu Changqing's face.
If I was someone else, I was reprimanded by an official who was six or seven levels higher than myself. I was afraid that I had already started to panic.
But who is Li Yao, who can spray six books all over during the exam, how could he be afraid of a Dai Li.
Li Yao said: "You are still the minister of the Ministry of Industry, don't you see it. Allocating land to poor peasants and increasing their enthusiasm for production increases the total amount of social wealth. And if I distribute my salary to subordinates, it is wealth. The total amount of transfers between people has not increased.
If I give my salary to my subordinates, the society will be able to create an extra wealth out of thin air, and I would be happy to do so. "
Standing and talking doesn't hurt, Li Yao dares to say anything. Anyway, it's impossible for everyone to really ask him to distribute his salary to others.
Dai Li was suddenly depressed when he heard the words.
He was too excited just now, so he didn't think about the problem too carefully, and made a slightly inappropriate analogy, and he was immediately used by Li Yao.
"Master Li, you can't say that. It's not a robbery to separate people's private property for no reason. This is definitely not possible. No one wants to be deprived of their wealth."
Another official stood up and rejected Li Yao's proposal from a realistic perspective.
"Private property? Is it the king's land, the land of the land, or the king's ministers in the whole world. All of them are the people and children of your majesty. Is there any problem with the old father helping the poor son with a little something from his rich son?"
What's more, did those big landlords dig out the land with a **** and a hoe? They are all land mergers carried out by various despicable means. "
Li Yao was fully fired, and the other opponents who sprayed just wanted to vomit blood.
Could it be Wang Tu's words in the whole world, even the emperor himself wouldn't take it seriously.
But this Li Yao just pretended not to understand like a second stupid son, and insisted on telling the story.
Unfortunately, other officials are not easy to refute.
Although the emperor would not think that the private property of the world is his own, but the courtiers could not say that.
If anyone dared to say that some things in the world belong to private individuals, and the emperor has no right to deprive them, then he would be charged with disrespect.
In short, Li Yao took a clever, and first stood in a position similar to the "highest point of morality" in the argument.
That is, you know that what I said is sophistry, but you can't refute it. If you refute it, it is immoral and despise the king.
How much people hate polite hypocrites, how much opposition ministers hate Li Yao at this time.
This is not a rational discussion or argument, but a show of shamelessness.
Qian Qianyi, Gu Yanwu, Ruan Dacheng and others have never spoken.
It was only at this moment that they realized that Wu Changqing wanted to carry out land reform and to divide the land of the landlord.
Among the three, Ruan Dacheng was not particularly surprised, because he knew Wu Changqing better and knew that Wu Changqing was unhappy with the landlord class, and he was bold enough to do things that others would not dare to do.
The emperor forcibly divided the landlord's land to the common people, which really seemed to be counterproductive.
That's why Wu Changqing dared to do this. Ruan Dacheng believed that such a thing would never happen if he changed to someone else.
Gu Yanwu and Qian Qianyi didn't understand Wu Changqing's thoughts at this moment. They couldn't figure out why Wu Changqing did this.
If Wu Changqing wanted to grab those lands into his own hands and turn them into imperial estates, everyone could also understand that the emperor was greedy for money.
But now Wu Changqing wants to distribute the land to civilians.
They really want to remind Wu Changqing that your rule is based on big landlords and gentry, not ordinary people.
Mencius said, "He who wins the hearts of the people gains the world", the "people" in it refers to the educated landlord and gentry class, but not to those untouchables who don't know anything.
In the past, the emperor and the big landlord class exploited the people together, but now Wu Changqing wants to abandon the big landlord class and cooperate with the exploited, which is incredible.
Those exploited are people who are illiterate and don't know how to govern the country. Don't cooperate with them to ruin the country.
In short, Wu Changqing's operation is very mysterious.
Hong Chengchou closed his eyes, looking as if nothing matters to him.
This matter, he can leave it alone.
After all, because he first surrendered to Man Qing and later to Dahua, his family loyal to Daming had not forgiven him, and there was no interest class behind him.
He is now the lone minister in the surrender faction, and he only needs to take care of his little interests.
Although there is no need to mix it up, he was shocked and admired by Wu Changqing's plan.
There has never been an emperor who wants to overthrow the ruling class and create his own rebellion. Wu Changqing is the first one, awesome.
If Wu Changqing insisted on carrying out such reforms and was overthrown by the landlord class, this piece of history would be an excellent negative teaching material to be recorded in the annals of history.
It can make later emperors and princes smile when they study boring history books.
The debate continues.
"This can't work, people are selfish. These lands have become their property. If they rush to grab it, it will inevitably lead to chaos in the world, and the gains outweigh the losses."
Liu Dahua couldn't help but say that he also has a lot of fields in his family, which are accumulated by four or five generations of his family, so he can't be separated.
"Although it is important to raise the enthusiasm of the people, it is not advisable to take it by force."
Wu Changqing spoke, ostensibly supporting Liu Dahua.
However, smart people will not ignore the first half of Wu Changqing.
It is very important to raise the enthusiasm of the people. This is not a representative. The emperor is very tempted by the proposal of dividing the land.
Those who understand the emperor's mind and will not lose their interests due to the land reform can play at this time.
Just like Yuan Zishou, the minister of the Ministry of Commerce, he directly and clearly expressed his support for Li Yao.
Anyway, his family has completely switched to business, and the family has no plot of land. Babu won the land of those big landlords and weakened the strength of those big landlords.
After all, many of those big landlords are part-time businessmen and are competitors of the Yuan family.
The imperial court directly plundered the wealth of those competitors, it is really a happy thing to see.
The **** decides the head. Most of the disputes in this world are not about right or wrong, but about interests.
What is in your own interest is right, otherwise it is wrong. The address of the latest chapter of the aircraft carrier I built in Daming: https://www.novelhall.com/book/149212.htmlI built the full text of the aircraft carrier in Daming to read the address: https://www.novelhall.com/read/149212/I built the aircraft carrier txt download address in Daming: https://www.novelhall.com/down/149212.htmlI read it on the mobile phone built by Daming: https://m.novelhall.com/read/149212/For the convenience of reading next time, you can click \"Favorites\" below to record this (Chapter 560 Debate) reading record and open it next time You can see it on the bookshelf! If you like "I Build an Aircraft Carrier in Daming", please recommend this book to your friends (QQ, blog, WeChat, etc.) ,Thank you for your support! ! (www.novelhall.com)
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